Friday, December 5, 2008

Chapter 4 If It's Square, It's a Sonnet

Wow--so the sonnet is the only poetic form we need to know? I wish he were the one writing the AP exam! However, I have to agree to a certain extent, it is probably the most common type of poem we study.

Other than his explanantion of the types of sonnets and his remarks that Shakespearean sonnets are divided into 2 parts (the first two quatrains and the final quatrain/couplet)--with which I totally disagree--I thought he made a lot of sense. Before you try to pick apart a poem, you should read just to get the point, the enjoyment. (I know--many of you don't enjoy them!)

Also, there can be quite a bit of meaning in only fourteen lines. I loved how he mentioned that short poems must take far more time to write than longer ones, because everything has to be perfect. How true that must be.

OK, so for your response--tell me what you thought about the sonnet included in this chapter or what you thought about Foster's (the author) explanation for what's important in poetry. Your response should be 50 words. (EXACTLY)

23 comments:

Austin said...

While everything he said makes sense, i have to agree with you on the fact that Shakespeare's sonnets weren't divided like he said. The ones we have read all follow the 3 aspects of 1 idea then the generalization of it. I also agree we only study sonnets in class.

Dianna said...

I agree with what he said in that it is hard to say everything you want in a short amount of space. Are all sonnets really squares though? They kind of look like rectangles. At least some. Poems are hard to enjoy when you have no idea what is happening.

walker said...

Yes, Dianna...a square? It def looks like a rectangle. I agree with the author's explaination which helped me understand sonnets better. I enjoy poetry a lot, but i'm not a fan of sonnets because they connfuse me! I'm glad that we study other forms of poetry. Boo for Shakespeare.

Korean said...

I can't see a sonnet as a square. Sure, if you space the lines out then it could be a square, but otherwise it's a rectangle. Also...after all that poetry, all we need to really know is a sonnet? I think that seems a little far fetched, I think.

Brooke said...

I like to read poetry but when it comes to sonnets and Shakespeare I never understand them until like the fourth time I read them. Sonnets may be important but I don't know if I agree with what he was saying about setting them up, they aren't all the same!

karson said...

i totally agree with haley.. BOO for shakespeare! yes sonnets are defintaly more rectangle.. but this section made me understand sonnets better. i HIGHLY dislike them but oh well.

Victoria said...

I didn't agree as much in this chapter. Sonnets don't always look like squares, and a prime example of that was his example. I also think we need to know more about poetry than the form of a sonnet.I do agree it takes more talent to write short poem.

karson said...

okay so i have to finish my 50 words because i didnt realize we had to have 50 words..
so i really dislike poems all together, but atleast we don't do differnet types of poems in class.

b.buurman said...

Yeah i agree pretty much with what he said. I like sonnets because their usually more interesting, but i don't like them because their harder to figure out and understand. Yeah I did notice that his explanation of the Shakespearian sonnet was different than the ones we have been discussing.

Ash-Daddy said...

I think the author oversimplifies poetry in this chapter. You need to understand the fundamentals of all poetry before you confine yourself to focusing on one form (the sonnet). I loved his example, his analysis was interesting. I do not agree that poetry has to contain sentences to be meaningful.

JANA1 said...

I never really thought of a sonnet the most important poem that we should study, especially since they are so unpredictable in the aspect of form. I agree with the author of in the idea of the physical outlook on the poem as to how the poem is in two sentences which part the main idea of the poem into two parts both related to each other.

Roy Earl McClain said...

I like what the author said about only needing to know sonnets. But look at all the great literature we'd miss out on. It's harder mininmizing your thoughts into fourteen lines. A rectangle is not a square and that's what the sonnet actually is. I like longer things to read.

Beas-Girl said...

Firstly, sonnets do look more like rectangles and a square, which bothered me, however, I usually like sonnets but NOT the one in this chapter. I don't like it when a thought is not finished at the end of a line, because I think it makes it hard to read.

JANA3 said...

Basically, I do not like sonnets or Shakespear, however this chapter makes me understand them a little more than I did before I read it. I like it when they leave you hanging because you feel like you know what happends because you make it up.

Big_daddy_alex said...

I agree with Dianna how can a all sonnets be square? To be honest when i look at a sonnet it defiantly looks like a rectangle. This chapter is confusing but I guess he might know a little bit about literature
"he he"

Дилан said...

I think you are oversimplifying what he said about the only poem we need being sonnets. Is there any practical need for knowing the difference between a haiku and a senryu? Also, most people know what a haiku looks and sounds like before taking any sort of class on it.

Candace said...

i really like poems but sonnets can not be all the same. sonnets to me seem more rectangular. this chapter helped me to understand them better though.

Ambizzle said...

Yeah, sonnets are basically the most important poem so let's not read any other poem. It is totally true what he said about shorter poems being harder because it is harder to put a lot of meaning into something small without rambling on. But, yeah sonnets are deffintely rectangly shape.

Rachel said...

well first off, sonnets aren't really my favorite type of poetry, a lot of times it takes me a while to understand or I will get something different out of it than anyone else. As you can imagine I didnt understand the one used in this chapter it cut it off in the end, leaving me puzzled.

Kenbo said...

Yes i agree with what he said. I really have a hard time with sonnets though it's like there written in a different language sometime's.But I love poems the ones i can understand atleast they seem like what a soul would look like if they were made of words.

Lexi said...

I liked the sonnet that was included in this chapter. It was easy to understand and made you feel like the two beings longed for each other with good imagery. Also, I don't think that this sonnet and many other sonnets, look like squares at all, they look like rectangles.

Tina said...

I liked the example sonnet by Christina Rosetti. I also agree that short stories are much harder to write because you have to be able to convey your point to the audience in a lot fewer words.I also wish sonnets were the only poems that mattered. It'd be easier.

JANA2 said...

ok i agree with just about everyone, sonnets look more like rectangles. and i agree with JANA3 when he talks about leaving the readers hanging, because it keeps you wanting more.